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Sam C on Third Places

I spent four years living in Barcelona, a city replete with third places. The outdoor cafe is the most common, and is made possible by large public plazas, typically ringed by small, locally owned establishments. Here’s an example, called Plaza Vila de Gracia:

 

These plazas are open only to pedestrians and can be found in every neighborhood in the city. Each has its own personality and charm, providing a shared outdoor space for the community living in the area. They’re convenient places to meet before heading off to another location, or to simply sit and people watch with a group of friends.

I suppose I began to take them for granted when I lived there, but since moving back to New York I’ve realized that cities without this “plaza culture” are quite different. In New York, outdoor cafes are almost always found running along the sidewalk, which can crowd both pedestrians and diners. This also normally limits the tables to one single row rather than the grid-like layouts seen in Barcelona, which generally have a more convivial, expansive atmosphere. Psychologically, placing these third places along a busy sidewalk makes them feel less restful and more harried. I believe this detracts from the power of the shared outdoor third space. With more pedestrian plazas, New York could establish its own plaza culture, increasing community engagement and happy encounters throughout the city.

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Leroy on “Third Places”

After reading “Our Vanishing Third Places” by Ray Oldenburg, I couldn’t help but reflect on my life here in New York City, and the small, but adequate space I have carved out for myself (physically and metaphorically). I’ve lived in this city for over six years, and in those six years, I’ve lived in four different apartments in three different neighborhoods around Manhattan. The apartment buildings I have and currently live in have all been pre-war buildings which means stairs, and no elevators. In those six years of walking up and down stairs to get to and from my apartment, I have walked past so many people doing the same as me, coming and going. Common sense would refer to these people as “neighbors”, but in reality I couldn’t tell you one neighborly thing about them; not their name, how long they have lived in the building, and if I was asked, to even describe their faces.

I think about this and Oldenburg’s thesis that our “homes have been designed to protect people from community rather than connect them to it”, and he’s absolutely correct. During Hurricane Sandy, my building, and the entire Lower East Side, like the rest of Downtown Manhattan had no power for over a week. It was an experience I’ll never forget; having to live by candlelight, sleep in our winter clothes because we had no heat, and trek uptown to use the bathroom, and charge our mobile devices to stay connected to the world.

During that ordeal, which was more annoying than anything else, especially compared to the damage the storm had done to other surrounding areas, not once did a neighbor come knocking on our door to check if we were ok, or if we needed anything. Moreover, neither did my roommate or myself leave our little cave to knock on the doors of our neighbors’ to see if they were ok as well. For many in our building, the initial reaction was to leave the neighborhood, and flee to a more comfortable place to weather the storm. It’s like a natural survival instinct kicked in, and the notion of “save yourself” hit everyone like a ton of bricks. Over the span of that week, we would hear reports of apartments being robbed, women being easily assaulted at night because there were no street lights, and neighbors from areas in New Jersey who were stealing from each other.

Living in a big city like New York it’s very easy to lose sight of things like the true meaning of community, neighbor, and civic responsibility It’s a city where its inhabitants are labeled assholes, and how being tough is a prerequisite in order to survive here or else you’ll get eaten alive. We walk down streets, and ride subways avoiding eye contact because you can never be too sure about the people around you. We push, and shove to deal with the morning commute, and we walk quickly in and out of foot traffic to get where we’re going. We’re aggressive drivers in need of our hands to be surgically removed from the car’s horn, and we’re careless pedestrians who cross streets even in oncoming traffic. So not only have we designed our homes to prevent us from connecting to people, we’ve in essence designed our city to be that way as well.

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Aastha Bhargava: Third Places

The different take on ‘sense of community’ America has was the first cultural adjustment I found myself making when I moved to New York from Mumbai about a year ago. What the author talks about as a matter of the past or something that seldom exists today was how I lived my life back home. I’ve actually had that third place and I couldn’t help reading this article drifting now and then back to memories of home where my life was dominated by community and I was pleasantly surprised by the number of examples in the article I could relate to.

In Mumbai, I lived in a building complex composed of residential buildings, gardens, a large playground and parking spaces, all enclosed in boundary walls separating us from the rest of the city. Our ‘third place’ wasn’t a coffee shop or a bar but a beautiful seating area-large enough to accommodate about thirty people in the middle of the main garden, opposite which I lived. I remember spending late afternoons as a child looking out of the window waiting for friends to congregate. Everybody knew everybody and what was going on in their lives. New neighbours were personally invited to join us every evening where people of all ages would sit and chat together, sometimes share snacks while children would play. There was also a grocery store which primarily catered to our complex (and delayed payments were not a problem).

We did everything together- celebrated festivals and dealt with problems. One incident the article reminded me of was the time I faced an emergency in the absence of my family and I remember feeling overwhelmed not by the circumstances but by the support I received from my neighbours. From helping me make crucial decisions to insisting on providing all my meals- they took care of everything without me even asking for it.

On the other hand, in New York I barely speak to my roommate let alone my neighbours. Whether that’s because of a difference in culture or lack of time and effort, I don’t know. While it’s refreshing that people in this city respect your privacy and notice and appreciate the little things you do for them, I still miss that sense of informal-ness, taking each other for granted- in a good way and sharing everything with everyone around me. It’s an equation I find hard to describe and in my opinion takes a lot of effort to cultivate.
‘Third places give the gift of friendship’, a support system to rely on for life. In Mumbai, I was fortunate to be living in one place long enough to be part of one such system. We’ve all gone our separate ways now, some living in different parts of the city some scattered across the world. The only thing that’s changed is our third place (which is now skype) and while I’m grateful it’s so easy to stay in touch, I can’t help but miss those evenings spent sitting together in that garden discussing our lives and welcoming new people.

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Melody on “Third Places”

My thoughts on the article are captured in my blog and also pasted below for convenience.

Oldenburg’s 1997 article “Our Vanishing Third Places” is an interesting take on the function of public space, especially as seen through the lens of the pre-social media era. In it, Oldenburg coined the term “third places” by considering the home as the universal “first place” and the workplace as a “second place.” “Third places,” he wrote, “lend a public balance to the increased privatization of home life. [They] are nothing more than informal public gathering places.”

The article predates Facebook and the slew of social “spaces” that have emerged across the internet over the past decade. These digital third places fill some of the needs Oldenburg describes throughout the article — perhaps most notably, the need of meeting points for people who share special interests. As Oldenburg harkened back to historic third places like colonial taverns, candy stores, soda fountains and beyond, it became clear that social media filled this need in a unique, unprecedented and important way. It expanded the “local” to what Marshall McLuhan aptly predicted would become a global village, fostering all kinds of new connections between people with interests, lifestyles, needs, identities that could not have been accommodated in a corner store. It continues to mobilize these people, giving them the gifts of like-minded communities, a platform for sharing their stories, a network of support, and in some cases, a reminder that it gets better.

While this is all fine and dandy, it’s worth nothing that these digital third places don’t completely fulfill Oldenburg’s vision. Many have argued that the lack of physical co-presence is a veiled sort of isolationism, Facebook is commonly critiqued as making the notion of friendship superficial and facilitating idealized presentations of life thatmakes people sad.

With the advent of wearables, interactive installations and other kinds of ubiquitous computing, technology is trending in a direction where digital and physical boundaries are more blurred. In the context of public spaces, the emerging question seems to become: How can the digital complement or enhance our experience of the physical third place?

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Mini on “Third Places”

I  like to have my private space and often shy away from talking to strangers. I personally spend so much time with people in New York City – at work, at school, at networking event etc – that when I have the time I either want to be around my friends or by with my cute dogs.

However, this article intrigued me to search for the third places around me. The most obvious one was central park during off leash hour. Before 9AM in the central park, dogs are allowed to be off leashed. It is like a dog heaven. I started to go at 7AM because my dogs like to run around on a grass (not a graveled dog park). Once you start to go regularly, you will see same people over and over and people make conversation casually.

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The second one that I see is the Doonya bollywood dancing workout studio. I started to go because I love bollywood dancing and I used to go on and off. Recently I started to go more regularly and you start to talk to the other regulars.

The third one is church. Every sunday people gather to share the religious belief, but the social after and eating lunch together is also the part of the experience.

After thinking about the third places that I know, it seemed like most of the third places around me isn’t deliberately made. The central park had to set up a rule that interested people and Doonya and church needed to engage people so that they sustain their business or function. It seems like the key to successful third place is some how making the people regulars.

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Michie on “Third Places”

I come from the so-called suburbia Ray Oldenburg describes in “Our Vanishing ‘Third Places’”. My childhood home has a property gate which defines the threshold between public and private property, a garage to house the cars which transport us to our nearest grocery stores and/or meetings with friends, and a fair amount of entertainment devices that keep us properly entertained in-house. Indeed, as Ray suggests, there was rarely a need for family to venture beyond that on the day-to-day.

For this reason, Oldenburg’s idea of “third places”, or informal gathering places, is intriguing to me. It explains why I’d always found an interest living in densely populated cities like New York and San Francisco. Where public gathering spaces are deeply integrated into the urban fabric of a city, there are endless opportunities for social interaction – i.e. public events, shops or even just on the street. Though this comes at the cost of personal privacy or individual autonomy, there’s no denying the fact that the living experience is more lively and the community more unified. Particularly for the young and the old, who in suburbia generally do not have the means or capacity to travel the long distances between the home and the nearest community center, this is crucial. My 81-year-old grandmother, who cannot drive and lives in a quiet, tree-lined residential neighborhood, looks forward to visits or meals out with the family, since they provide the sole opportunity of engaging with the community beyond her home.

As an answer to our lost physical “third places,” we have since created digital equivalents. Examples of this are social network platforms and online forums like Facebook or Reddit, which provide the ability to congregate, discuss and connect with others; and crowd-based service applications like Lyft and AirBnB that pride themselves on being able to encourage greater community engagement. With the exception of daily and spontaneous face-to-face interactions, digital “third places” arguably give us all that we could ever want or need on a scale that we could otherwise never recreate in the physical world.

I’m not sure what the next trend will be and whether we’ll eventually reach a happy medium between both physical and digital “third places”, but I’m definitely interested in seeing how that will play out in the future.

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Mike_“Third Places”

Link to the blog for the reading.

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Jeff on “Third Places”

There are many reasons for the increase in public vs. private space. It’s not that these places don’t exist, but the mind set of the people that use them have changed. A lot of people are more self-absorbed. Technology now plays a big role in the way in which we converse and interact. Even in public places that promote community and social interaction, people are too engaged in their own livelihood and their personal emails and messages to communicate with one another.

This can be regularly seen on the subway, where people are choosing the life style consisting mainly of a home-to-work-and-back-again shuttle. You walk down the street with your headphones on and then sit on the subway staring at your phone. There are unwritten rules on the subway or public bus. Don’t make eye contact and give people as much space as possible and if you try and talk to someone you might be seen as crazy. These spaces promote communication but we fall back on our routine of solitude.

Technology is evolving and so is our way of socializing. Using a phone or screen doesn’t mean it stops us from communication with each other, but is a new form of connecting and interaction with one another. There are certain things that may change because of this. We may see less community in our neighborhoods with fewer people knowing and talking with their neighbors. However there are places and groups online where people can form similar relationships with people of shared interest. This is a different type of “third place”, but still a place where people can virtually gather easily and pleasurably.

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Sam on “Third Places”

I come from a small island called the United Kingdom. We love privacy. Perhaps the only other country to display such reserved sensibilities is Japan, where people also share a small water-locked slither of land.

In light of this I’ve always admired America’s more outgoing culture. I figured the early settlers understood that if they were going to conquer this brave new world they were going to have to talk to strangers, leading the way to a land more prone to celebrating extroversion and openness.

But Oldenburg is right to lament modern suburbia. The ‘private’ space afforded by a car has led to a deep re-orientation of public space. Until I came to America, I’d never dreamed of a drive-through ATM.

Cities – particularly New York – are often considered unfriendly. I see this as mostly misconceived. New York is probably the most overly-social place in the world. A place where people fulfil three social engagements in one night, and pass on two more. The problem is that this intensity leads people to shut down sharply to strangers, there is only so much inter-personal stimulation a person can handle.

An easy deflection of the author’s critique, particularly 18 years after its writing, is to call the web – and particularly social media – today’s third place. I’d argue there are many nuances to this, some of which I’ve tackled in my own work. Connecting with strangers still requires a set of norms, permissions and affordances. Just because people can connect online, doesn’t mean they will feel comfortable doing so. Also, somewhat ironically, digital services that have had the most impact connecting nearby users really only gain traction in big cities with critical density – suburbunites who could really benefit from nearby networking are likely to encounter empty rooms and virtual tumbleweeds.

Of course, such norms, permissions and affordances are important in the physical plane too. His reference to dog-owners is interesting – in England a pet offers near complete permission to talk to a stranger, though often conversation is directed to the pet rather than the owner. I’m quite sure that millions of people only own pets to afford these kind of encounters, particularly with other pet owners.

I’d never considered that fleeing to ‘Sun Cities’ correlated with a lack of community and purpose post-retirement, but I think he is correct in this insight. However, I’d argue that some of these new retirement communities act as purpose-built third places, full of the kind of interactions he longs for. In this sense, I’m not sure this is a wholly negative development.

A lot of the issues with third places are really economic – with more disposable income people can pay to spend time in shared public (but private) spaces. I’m not sure he addressed this component as much as he might. In posing questions about inclusivity, I think access to third places – and the corresponding benefits he outlines – deserves to be a lens through which such issues are examined.

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Luke’s take on the disappearance of “Third Places”

You can find it on my blog here

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